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29 May 2011 - 20:4520885
John boat pics
Here's some pics of the effort to remove the john boat that was broached on "decision" rock at the bottom of the straight route in Cat's Paw. http://gallery.me.com/rhoffmann2#100730 I was up early due to the heat so I went on down and got a line on the sketchy grab handle. Just about the time I finished setting up an anchor, the cavalry arrived. Tracey ran traffic control, though not everyone heeded her caution. Byron, Tracy, I set up the Z-drag. Byron swam out to look for another grab loop on the boat (none). He also weighted haul line in case the handle flew off. Eric supervised and we recruited Sandy and his friend (I didn't get his name) to pull on the z-drag while Tracy minded the prussiks. The boat's handle ripped off soon after the heavy pulling started. Eric then swam out and he and Byron weren't able to push the boat from behind with enough force to free the stern so we enacted plan C.

I swam back out with my hatchet and hacked an 8" hole in the stern. We pushed it up some but it still wasn't coming off. Eric held it in the new position and I hacked down another foot and hammered out a larger hole. With the three of us pushing hard, we were able to get the stern out of the water and the current on the bow took over and it slid off to river left where Byron and others pulled it up on the beach.

We put it about 20 feet above the water and stacked the remnants of the yard sale with the boat. The hull was already beyond repair before the hole that I cut in it. It's a fairly light john boat so we should try to carry it out sometime.

It was a great team effort. We were able to get it out just before a large crowd showed up. Thanks to everyone that helped.


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29 May 2011 - 22:0120886
Cat's Paw
It looked like a fun warm day. Today I had cold rain in town and snow/sleet in the Mountains---Spring is here in Montana (sort of).
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31 May 2011 - 11:3520909
Just in case somebody was thinking about running Cats Paw in a bass boat, DON'T!! This was attempted late Saturday afternoon by a man with an unused paddle the size of a ukulele. It was, of course a yard sale like none other. A pin kit needed on the Saint Francis was unexpected. Thanks much to Curtis, Eric, Tracey R, and best friend and wife Tracy N for all the teamwork, as well as anyone else involved. Never knew how valuable an axe is on a river trip

If anyone wants an aluminum bass boat, it can be found on river left, with holes for no extra charge.


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31 May 2011 - 13:2620912
i like the pic
where byron is eating the throw rope...at first i thought it was a snake

You fellers look like you are sitting down at a buffet luncheon with one person carving with a hatchet.

Great pics for a caption competition.

BTW, does anyone know where the term "John" boat came from?

next time, higher water and with flotation..


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Last edited by gootch nickels (31 May 2011 - 13:26)
31 May 2011 - 15:1520913
Not sure of the origin,
Buttt, they are called Jon Boats (not John) referring to a Flat bottomed bottom boat. Been around em all my life. Used to ski behind a 12 footer. Look it up, google it whatever.... they be Jon Boats, that is not a play on words to irritate Jon Serfas. That's what they be. You city fellers callin em "John Boats" was kinda cute though !! Freddie


31 May 2011 - 16:2520914
You can call me Ray, you can call me Jay, ......
..... personally, I like "Gootch Boats"

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31 May 2011 - 19:5220917
Ozark John Boats
is the proper name. It first appeared in the early 1900's to designate a boat in common useage peculiar to the streams of the Ozarks. Like the term "Ozark" no one is entirely sure how the name came into being. The best guess was a boatbuilder whose name was John. (not Jon- sorry Freddy). But no one knows for sure. It is an origin lost in time.


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Last edited by chuck (04 Jun 2011 - 06:57) Reason: Do not judge a man by his utility of his Jean boat- Voltairrie
31 May 2011 - 20:2320920
Yep Chuck, I did a lot of Google research into the origins of the name "Jon boat", and it turned up a lot of Ozark John boat references. Looks like it's all shrouded in lies, legend and story, but at least the Ozark theme ran common to it all. So I think we Ozarkers can safely lay claim to the name.


31 May 2011 - 20:5520921
Chluck, wrong....
They are Jon Boats ... even the Historic references concerning these craft supposedly first used on the White and Current Rivers (?) are "Jonboats" I did see a few references to "John Boats" (from Morons) All ya gotta do is Google it. No more argument from me.... You believe what you want. Just don't give me the "Sorry Freddy" BS --- #1 cause my name is Freddie, and the sum beeches are Jon Boats.... Freddie

and, well, Kuthe's opinion, need I say more !



Last edited by kayakcono (02 Jun 2011 - 13:38)
01 Jun 2011 - 06:3720927
Boys, Boys... You're all pretty. Let's call em "wide, shallow, flat bottom boats for use in Ozark streams". Or we could call em after an ex girlfriend with the same attributes. But for God's sake, let's not let these craft of limited use to any of us cause a "row" amongst friends.

If we have to go with the "J" word, I'm partial to Freddie's version. Sorry Perfessor. The "h" just slows me down!


01 Jun 2011 - 06:3720928
rivers to run
The Authentic American Johnboat written by Larry Dablemount back in the 70's. it is out of print. The story is retold in his newer book, Rivers to Run (delgado just gave me a copy). They have been called Johnboats, John Boats, Jon Boats, and paddle-jon's back in the early fishin and outdoor magazines. There is probably no correct spelling.

http://www.larrydablemont.com/Books%20&%20Magazines.htm

The book concludes, as chuck reported no one knows.

now, what is the difference between a water mocasin and a cotton mouth and a cotton mouth water mocasin and a banded water snake?


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01 Jun 2011 - 06:5820929
Sorry Fredie
Didn't nmean to offend Fredddy or anyone else, just pointing out what is "KNOWN". I've never seen the term "Jon" boat, ever, and I notice the only person insistent on "Jon" is Freedie. I did research after reading Fereddy's reply, and I could find no origin of the word. It was 1 reference in about 100 that referred to it as "Jon". Sorry Fredee Just pointing out what's out there.


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Last edited by chuck (01 Jun 2011 - 07:00) Reason: he origin of the word "Freddie" aka "freeddie, Freddy, Fried E, etc. seems lost in prehistory but was probably a Lithuanian term
01 Jun 2011 - 08:1420933
Quote jon serfas:

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If we have to go with the "J" word, I'm partial to Freddie's version. Sorry Perfessor. The "h" just slows me down!



Speedbumps, eh? Ahhhh, you just want 'em named after YOU!

It's all good, and as I've always said it's better to be in any boat than standing on the shore wishing!!


01 Jun 2011 - 08:1620934
Quote gootch nickels:

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now, what is the difference between a water mocasin and a cotton mouth and a cotton mouth water mocasin and a banded water snake?


It's a Diamond Backed Copper Moccasin!! Every snake you see is!!


01 Jun 2011 - 14:4620947
Um
I thought it was Juan Boats!!!


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01 Jun 2011 - 15:1920948
can't help myself sometimes
After a quick (who am I kidding, I wasted like 15 minutes on this) look at both the Oxford and Merriam-Webster dictionaries it looks like everybody is at least a little wrong so far. The name is johnboat - one word with a useless h.

BTW, nobody has even given this knucklehead credit for getting through Big Drop without completely swamping there?! Next weekend I'm gonna see if I can borrow the father-in-laws glass bass boat- or is that bassboat. A lotta trim and even more throttle at just the right time, I'm thinkin'.


01 Jun 2011 - 15:5520950
My last comment on this...
I just googled Jon Boat, and there are 1,850,000 references to Jon Boat.... I also mailed a complete packet of Historic Materials including a link to an Audio Presentation of "The History of the Ozark Jonboat" to a doubting Thomas. I also included a listing of the myriad of Manufacturers who make Jon Boats. (and call them such) google "Jon Boat" and you will be amazed at the massive amount of material. While I don't deny that some spell it "John Boat" no Jon Boat Manufacturer seems to !! Case closed.... (in my closed lil mind)
The speculation is that the name came about from the French who called these Low, Flat, stable fishing boats Jean (not Gene) Boats, which later became Jon Boats..... I have owned one. Have any of you? FC


01 Jun 2011 - 16:0120951
As the son of a marine mechanic, I'm siding with freddie on this one. I've seen hundreds of jon boats come through my dads garage and the parts books and receipts and what not. There might be regional differnces and various spellings I.e. francois vs francis. The mainstream spelling these days seems to be jon.

Raymond
P.s.I grew up in so. eastern illinois


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01 Jun 2011 - 23:1720963
I found a History of "Jon" Boats
"It was an Illinois Phenom. The Original "Jon" boats came from Sweden in the late 1890's. They had a steering wheel/rudder system which was quite popular on the Mud Bed rivers of Illinois. In Fact "Jon" is Swedish for "Flat-bottomed Boat with a Steering Wheel Rudder System". They were brought to the Ozarks with greatfanfare with many being sold. Unfortunately the Ozarks were gravel/rock bed streams and the under boat rudder, was prone to bending, jamming, and even sheering, producing "vaste leakeage", where the steering wheel shaft went through the hull.
The kicker was when Danny "Dick" whistler, who had vowed never to cut his lengthy beard, got said beard caught in the steering assembly, with a broken rudder and the entire "Jon" boat sunk, with Dick refusing, "even to his ultimate and untimely demise, to cut his beard, and thusly drowned". Dick Whistler had been a popular celebrity on the Ozark streams fishing and noodling scene, and his departure spelt the end for "Jon" boats in the Ozarks, and they were sent, en masse, back to the Illinois mud, never to be heard from again on clear Ozark streams.
It is an odd coincidence that both the one and ONLY John Boat in the Ozarks, a style of boat that has remained popular to this day and has been ALWAYS associated with OZARKS fishing, and the ill-fated Illinois mud "Jon" boats, had names pronounced the same."
(from: Mae Dean Hefner's "History of the Ozarks", circa 1882-1907)
In a later edition she adds: The "Jon" boat is a long forgotten footnote in Missouri fishing lore..."
So- Freeddy and Raymond are right! Where they live, among the mud bottom rivers of Illinois, "Jon" is the correct spelling. (You will, of course, notice that only those from mud/Illinois have spoken in favor of "Jon" In the Ozarks, it goes without saying, it remains, as it always has been- Johnboats, or Ozark Johnboat. (You will notice that those of us who actually LIVE in the Ozarks (not in Illinois), agree on this.)


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Last edited by chuck (01 Jun 2011 - 23:20) Reason: When in Rome, listen to what the Romans say.
02 Jun 2011 - 00:5920965
Mental note that some discussions are best to stay out of...


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02 Jun 2011 - 07:4320969
Quote kayakcono:

...which later became Jon Boats..... I have owned one. Have any of you? FC


I've never owned a 'Jon Boat' ot a 'John Boat', but my legal name is John.

Does that give me a dog in this hunt?


02 Jun 2011 - 08:4820970
Googled
Just googled "Jon" boats

and Fredie is right....there are 1,340,000 references....mostly in Illinois.
Googled "John" Boats and got SIXTY FIVE MILLION references....mostly in Missouri.
OOPS!



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Last edited by chuck (02 Jun 2011 - 08:51) Reason: John for clear water, and Jon for mud.
02 Jun 2011 - 10:2720973
Man. You can tell it's summer and the Saint's finally low, these kayakers don't have anything better to do?

Then only J***boat I've ever personally known is called The Arkansas, and it pulls humans behind it on a big red wooden disk. Figure that one out.


02 Jun 2011 - 11:0520974
I, too, am from southeastern Illinois and have always seen the "h-less" spelling, "Jon Boat." Perhaps this lends credence to the idea of it being a regional thing. (I misspent a fair amount of my youth in that Illinois mud that Chuck quoted about. You can lose boots in that stuff! We called it "gumbo mud" for some reason.)

I concur with trvlr9 (Jason). I'm impressed the dude made it as far as he did! I wish someone had video of it. Did he walk out OK?

My real question is, what do you call those shiny sliver (aluminum) flat-ish bottom boats that whiz past you at 30 miles per hour on Current River? [grrr] Are those the Ozark "JoHn Boats" you speak of?


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02 Jun 2011 - 13:4820976
jet boats
Them are jet boats.

The National Park Service and US Forest Service cower down to jet boats and ATV's in Missouri.


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